Handlebar Controller for XT2
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Oop North John
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Re: Handlebar Controller for XT2
Nothing posted in here for the last month, so is no news, good news? Or no news, as you've binned the controller?
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Re: Handlebar Controller for XT2
I kept meaning to come back to this thread - but seem to keep finding other projects.
One thing that I did discover on a recent (and first ride actually using the handlebar controller) will answer this question
One thing that I did discover on a recent (and first ride actually using the handlebar controller) will answer this question
You cannot use the Zoom in / zoom out buttons if Auto zoom is ticked in Settings -> Map Display.
Have owned Zumo 550, 660 == Now have Zumo XT2, XT, 595, 590, Headache
Use Basecamp (mainly), MyRouteApp (sometimes), Competent with Tread for XT2, Can use Explore for XT - but it offers nothing that I want !
Links: Zumo 590/5 & BC . . . Zumo XT & BC . . . Navigating with Zumo Booklet
Use Basecamp (mainly), MyRouteApp (sometimes), Competent with Tread for XT2, Can use Explore for XT - but it offers nothing that I want !
Links: Zumo 590/5 & BC . . . Zumo XT & BC . . . Navigating with Zumo Booklet
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Re: Handlebar Controller for XT2
I was a bit miffed when I discovered that. I turned off auto zoom and I was surprised that I quite like it like that - with an easy facility to zoom in and out without using the screen. Without the controller, I find that certain areas of the screen do not respond very well to a gloved finger.
The zoom level stays where you left it. All of the buttons have two functions - short press and long press. The + & - buttons control the zoom. Short press zooms in / out one step. Long press for the zoom buttons repeats the action until you let go. It is quick and controllable.
I was annoyed at first that the if you program the + & - buttons to do something else, the long press and short press are automatically set to the same function - so in effect you can only have 6 actions programmed - I didn't think that I would use the zoom in / out feature. But I do like it as it is.
It was a tad irritating to change my mind and that for me, Garmin had got this one right !
Another thing that they got right:
They have messed around with how that right hand display operates. I think it was one of the 590 or 595 would remember the last 3 displays - so if you put up Traffic, music player, weather. (call them T, M, W), then when you closed down W, M would be revealed , and when you closed down M, T would be revealed. The X button on the screen to close down a window was quite difficult to access.
You can program such displays to pop up for the handlebar controller - but it makes those pop-up displays on the right so much more useful. So using the same notation T M W for Traffic, Music, Weather and add in U for up ahead places, then pressing the programmed buttons for T M W U would display them in that order with U on top, the rest invisible. Tap M and Music would appear on top. Tap M again, Music would be removed to reveal U. If you tap the button for the display that is currently displayed, it would be removed - and you get back to the map screen.
But if you have say Trip Data on your screen, and then cycle through your TMWU buttons in whatever order you want and then remove the current display by pressing the appropriate button until they have all gone, it reveals the Trip Data screen again and that cannot be removed by button presses.
The only real problem is to remember which of long / short triangle and square relate to which functions I programmed.
The one function that I wish it would have available is ScreenShot.
The zoom level stays where you left it. All of the buttons have two functions - short press and long press. The + & - buttons control the zoom. Short press zooms in / out one step. Long press for the zoom buttons repeats the action until you let go. It is quick and controllable.
I was annoyed at first that the if you program the + & - buttons to do something else, the long press and short press are automatically set to the same function - so in effect you can only have 6 actions programmed - I didn't think that I would use the zoom in / out feature. But I do like it as it is.
It was a tad irritating to change my mind and that for me, Garmin had got this one right !
Another thing that they got right:
They have messed around with how that right hand display operates. I think it was one of the 590 or 595 would remember the last 3 displays - so if you put up Traffic, music player, weather. (call them T, M, W), then when you closed down W, M would be revealed , and when you closed down M, T would be revealed. The X button on the screen to close down a window was quite difficult to access.
You can program such displays to pop up for the handlebar controller - but it makes those pop-up displays on the right so much more useful. So using the same notation T M W for Traffic, Music, Weather and add in U for up ahead places, then pressing the programmed buttons for T M W U would display them in that order with U on top, the rest invisible. Tap M and Music would appear on top. Tap M again, Music would be removed to reveal U. If you tap the button for the display that is currently displayed, it would be removed - and you get back to the map screen.
But if you have say Trip Data on your screen, and then cycle through your TMWU buttons in whatever order you want and then remove the current display by pressing the appropriate button until they have all gone, it reveals the Trip Data screen again and that cannot be removed by button presses.
The only real problem is to remember which of long / short triangle and square relate to which functions I programmed.
The one function that I wish it would have available is ScreenShot.
Have owned Zumo 550, 660 == Now have Zumo XT2, XT, 595, 590, Headache
Use Basecamp (mainly), MyRouteApp (sometimes), Competent with Tread for XT2, Can use Explore for XT - but it offers nothing that I want !
Links: Zumo 590/5 & BC . . . Zumo XT & BC . . . Navigating with Zumo Booklet
Use Basecamp (mainly), MyRouteApp (sometimes), Competent with Tread for XT2, Can use Explore for XT - but it offers nothing that I want !
Links: Zumo 590/5 & BC . . . Zumo XT & BC . . . Navigating with Zumo Booklet
Re: Handlebar Controller for XT2
@jfheath can you share a photo of your installation of the remote on your st1300? I have the same bike, and mounting the remote is not easy on this bike.
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jfheath
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Re: Handlebar Controller for XT2
Sure. You can see what my intention was before I asked Santa for one for Xmas. @marcparnes kindly gave me the dimensions.
Link here https://www.zumouserforums.co.uk/viewto ... 639#p23639
It turned out very similar to that balsa wood mockup.
For those who do not know what we are talking about, the Honda ST1300 does not have the traditional handle bar 'pipe' across the steering head. It has two cast alloy arms that are bolted securely to the yolk that fits across the top of the fork legs. The round diameter handlebar is taken up by the grip, and the brake and clutch lever. That's it. No place to bolt anything.
Requirements: One of each of these.
The Ball end on the left is supplied with every Zumo Stanav that I have owned. It is a "RAM Handlebar Base", apparently". This fits over the existing brake lever half moon clamps. It requires two longer bolts. The curved recess is there to accomodate the curve of the loose half of the existing clamp, it does not replace it. This gives a spare RAM ball in a very handy position.
The joining RAM ball clamp is also supplied as standard. I had a longer one - which is much better, so I used that.
I had another 'RAM Handlebar base', but for the XT2 controller, I needed something round to clamp onto. That's where the short length of white water pipe comes in. It it is just too small to slip over the square section of the mount. Which makes it ideal. So I shortened the RAM mount with a hacksaw, held the water pipe over a hot flame - close enought o make the plastic flexible, but not close enough to melt it, and shoved the soft platic over the square end of the sawn off mount. A bit of insulation tape, and I filled the gap with epoxy resin and let it set.
A bit of black gutter sealant at each end and some black insulation tape to make it look - well, black really. And we have the following
The cable ties are a safeguard to stop the clamp from slackening. I want to fit an ordinary nyloc nut on there, but I have yet to find one with the correct thread pitch.
The position with a gloved hand is ideal. I have large hands - about 4XL glove size - and the only thing that is slightly awkward to get to is the red 4-way flasher which is normally operated with the thumb. But index finger can access it easily.
Wiring was not difficult - but it proved impossible to get it so that I could detach the screw joining piece. MY XT2 is mounted on the left hand side of the shelf behind the windscreen, so the cable has to come from there. The cables are joined somewhere in the space behind the mirror mount.
The length of plastic pipe could have been shorter. I will cut it off eventually, but it is not in the way. I wanted to make sure that I had enough adjustment available to get it in the right position first - easy to access; doesn't interfere with access to other controls; easy to get hand off and on the grip; doesn't block visibility in mirror; doesn't affect right steering lock (collision with screen).
I can reach the bottom two buttons easily with my thumb without my hand leaving the bars. The top two are accessed with a small lift of the hand from the bar.
The controller could go a bit lower and further left - which would be better for reach - but one thing that I hadn't considered was the view of the rear view mirror. That view is affected by how tall you are.
Link here https://www.zumouserforums.co.uk/viewto ... 639#p23639
It turned out very similar to that balsa wood mockup.
For those who do not know what we are talking about, the Honda ST1300 does not have the traditional handle bar 'pipe' across the steering head. It has two cast alloy arms that are bolted securely to the yolk that fits across the top of the fork legs. The round diameter handlebar is taken up by the grip, and the brake and clutch lever. That's it. No place to bolt anything.
Requirements: One of each of these.
- Hbar controller 0.jpg (69.65 KiB) Viewed 402 times
The joining RAM ball clamp is also supplied as standard. I had a longer one - which is much better, so I used that.
I had another 'RAM Handlebar base', but for the XT2 controller, I needed something round to clamp onto. That's where the short length of white water pipe comes in. It it is just too small to slip over the square section of the mount. Which makes it ideal. So I shortened the RAM mount with a hacksaw, held the water pipe over a hot flame - close enought o make the plastic flexible, but not close enough to melt it, and shoved the soft platic over the square end of the sawn off mount. A bit of insulation tape, and I filled the gap with epoxy resin and let it set.
A bit of black gutter sealant at each end and some black insulation tape to make it look - well, black really. And we have the following
- Hbar controller 1.jpg (171.53 KiB) Viewed 402 times
- Hbar controller 2.jpg (129.14 KiB) Viewed 402 times
- Hbar controller 3.jpg (149.3 KiB) Viewed 402 times
- Hbar controller 4.jpg (127.38 KiB) Viewed 402 times
The position with a gloved hand is ideal. I have large hands - about 4XL glove size - and the only thing that is slightly awkward to get to is the red 4-way flasher which is normally operated with the thumb. But index finger can access it easily.
Wiring was not difficult - but it proved impossible to get it so that I could detach the screw joining piece. MY XT2 is mounted on the left hand side of the shelf behind the windscreen, so the cable has to come from there. The cables are joined somewhere in the space behind the mirror mount.
The length of plastic pipe could have been shorter. I will cut it off eventually, but it is not in the way. I wanted to make sure that I had enough adjustment available to get it in the right position first - easy to access; doesn't interfere with access to other controls; easy to get hand off and on the grip; doesn't block visibility in mirror; doesn't affect right steering lock (collision with screen).
I can reach the bottom two buttons easily with my thumb without my hand leaving the bars. The top two are accessed with a small lift of the hand from the bar.
The controller could go a bit lower and further left - which would be better for reach - but one thing that I hadn't considered was the view of the rear view mirror. That view is affected by how tall you are.
Have owned Zumo 550, 660 == Now have Zumo XT2, XT, 595, 590, Headache
Use Basecamp (mainly), MyRouteApp (sometimes), Competent with Tread for XT2, Can use Explore for XT - but it offers nothing that I want !
Links: Zumo 590/5 & BC . . . Zumo XT & BC . . . Navigating with Zumo Booklet
Use Basecamp (mainly), MyRouteApp (sometimes), Competent with Tread for XT2, Can use Explore for XT - but it offers nothing that I want !
Links: Zumo 590/5 & BC . . . Zumo XT & BC . . . Navigating with Zumo Booklet
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Re: Handlebar Controller for XT2
Regarding workaround handlebar controller:
Leave headset off. First boot xt2 and wait for completed bootup. Then turn on headset. The handlebar will work more consistently. Please test also and please report findings.
Leave headset off. First boot xt2 and wait for completed bootup. Then turn on headset. The handlebar will work more consistently. Please test also and please report findings.