Xt and Basecamp Map confusion

[jfheath]

I've never registered that about the 0 in the maps name before, it was just something that I thought could indicate a conflict.

It did make a difference one year. For the lifetime of one generation of maps - 3 or 4 months - every single route would re-calculate and that missing digit was the cause. I always leave the options unticked in edit -> options -> device transfer (and apply it to all devices).

[ledwardio]

Yeah they are all unticked

[jfheath]

My XT software is 6.60

I'm almost a neighbour to you jfheath - I'm in Bingley. It's always nice to see roads I know in your very clear and helpful examples on here

Sorry - my XT is v6.60 too. I have both XT and XT2 on my desktop connected up since I've been lookin at your issue. I picked up the wrong one ! My XT2 is v 5.40.

If you're in Bingley I'm not so far away. So if you don't have a good enough solution in the next couple of days before your trip, we can sort something out.

I'll send you a PM.

[ledwardio]

Cheers, thank you. It does seem stable and everything has loaded to it so fingers crossed it's all sorted

[jfheath]

Glad it is sorted. No need for the PM then !

A couple of things. I noted that your start point is at the hotel. The chance of the satnav being able to get a good enough signal at the hotel is remote - in which case it will not recognise that you have passed through the start point. I would put another route Via point a couple of miles up the road that you will be riding, and when you set off, select that as the Next Destination - rather than the hotel.


Also - combined with that - imported routes in the XT have a habit of going wrong - especially if you have to skip a route point.

Here is a quick fix. You can try this at home, but it will take a tad longer longer 'cos it will have to calculate a route to get you to the hotel.

At the hotel, the night before, load in the route. Note that the route is listed under a black banner titled 'Imported Trips'
Say Go ! and let the XT settle down, waiting for you to move. Then return to the main menu without stopping the route.

Then -

Apps -> Trip Planner -> Saved Trips -> My Active Route

Note that it has added a new point to the top of the list - 'Coordinates' . That is where you are now.

Click Save and give it a name to indicated that this is the route you want to use. I usually put an '@' in front of the original route name.

This is the route that you want to use. Try loading it. The route name will appear under the 'Saved Trips' black banner not the 'Imported Trips'. Saved Trips on the XTs never display the same issues that we have seen with Imported Trips.

When it is loaded, you get the choice of next destination. You don't want the first one. That was in your hotel room, or at home in Baildon.
And on your route, I would expect problems with your start point - the satnav may or may not know that you have actually passed through it. Looking at street view, parking is restricted to designated car parks and you may nver ride through your first point - so the sat nave will always be wanting to take you back to it. Closest Entry Point is one option - but check the route makes sense before you set off.
A better solution is to put your start point some way down the road and choose that. The satnav will take you to it and then continue navigating from there.


Note that if you put your gpx files in Internal Storage, the XT will automatically place tracks in the track app and waypoints in the Favourites. The definitions of those is actually removed from the GPX file - so you cannot import them again.

If you put them on the SD card, you have to import them manually, but the XT cannot touch the files themselves.
Problem is, the XT cannot find waypoints on the SD card, unless it already has one in memory. If that happens - you can create a waypoint simply by tapping a location on the map and saving it. The XT will then be able to find waypoint in gpx files on the SD card.

[ledwardio]

Thanks for the info jfheath

I used to use a separate start point a bit along the road as you describe but Nearest Entry Point seems to have become much better at not trying to get you back to the Start even when close to it that I haven't found the need for a while.

Avoiding the RUTs with re-saving is good practice but I rarely skip points so it hasn't been an issue tbh, plus I have the track underneath as a backup.

I'll look into the storing of waypoints though - what do you mean by 'the definitions of those is actually removed from the GPX file'?

Cheers

[jfheath]

I'll look into the storing of waypoints though - what do you mean by 'the definitions of those is actually removed from the GPX file'?

If you look at the gpx file before sending it to the XT it contains a number of sections

Waypoints

<wpt>
.
.
loads of lines
.
.
</wpt>

Ditto with routes <rte>........</rte>

and <trk> ....... </trk> for the track definitions. There can be many hundreds of lines between those two.

With the XT, when it is started up it searches the gpx files for the <trk></trk> and the <wpt><\wpt> pairs, processes anything in between and rewrites the file with just the <rte>........</rte> data. The tracks and waypoints are stored automatically - and are there ready to access as soon as the XT is turned on.

If the gpx file only contained tracks and waypoints, the file is empty and it is deleted.


But if you look at the gpx file that once contained routes, tracks and waypoints - you will find no <wpt> or <trk> sections. They have gone. So you cannot import them again if you delete one by accident.

I'm not sure when this started happening - whether it was built into the XT from the outset or it happened later on with an upgrade. I know there was a period when i thought - Im sure that I sent the tracks with the routes .....

[ledwardio]

Aha, I see what you mean. Thanks for the clarification.