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Using my XT, I created a route by picking a destination and the GO. the route went active. I then picked a point back fro the end on the road I wanted to be on and added that as the next stop. I continued this process until I had a viable route. I then wanted to:

A) move a point. How do I do this on the device? And

B) delete a point. How do I do this on the device?

TIA.

If the route is saved...
- go into Trip Planner
- select the route
- long hold on a route point (3 seconds). Options will come up that vary based on the type of point.
Via Points can be deleted or their position sequence changed.
Shaping points can only be deleted.

AFAIK, moving a point requires deleting it and then using the Shape Route option to add a new one. To access the Shape Route function, use the Wrench button after selecting the route in Trip Planner.

You can reorder route points in the trip list.

I have done it a few times, but cannot remember the exact finger presses. I'll get back to you when I can get closer to my XT

Right. -here you go

Show the trip list on the XT screen from trip planner

It shows all of the route points with green flag (start), chequered flag (end), Orange flag (Via Point) and blue disc (shaping point)

On this screen you can change any Via to a shaping point or any shaping point to a Via. Changing to a shaping is risky - the XT tends to move the point and it can end up on a faster road. Change shaping to via doesn't carry that risk.

Tap any shaping point you get the option to delete it.

Click any via point you get another 2 options.

1. A spanner / wrench which gives you the option to change the via point to another point. It actually displays the 'Where To' menu.

2. A double arrow one pointing up one pointing down. This is just a tool unrelated to the via point that was selected.
Tap the double arrow and the route list is redrawn. Every single point on the new list has a different symbol at the right hand side.
Tap and hold on the right hand symbol (an upward pointing arrow head, a line under that, a downward pointing arrow head). The selected point - via, shaping, start or end - can be dragged up or down to a new position in the list.


Tap and hold any other part of the list and you can scroll the whole list up and down.

At the bottom are two options to Save or Cancel.

I guess I wasn't very clear on this. Since I made the route on the device there seems to be no way for me to know which point on the route corresponds to what name on the list. Is there a way for me to do this looking at route points on the Trip Planner/pick route/MAP?

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Peobody wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 2:14 am AFAIK, moving a point requires deleting it and then using the Shape Route option to add a new one. To access the Shape Route function, use the Wrench button after selecting the route in Trip Planner.

I've never used the Shape Route option as I tried it and had idea what I was doing and screwed everything up. This time I did Trip Planner/pick route/Shape Route. I zoomed in as far as possible on the shaping point I want to delete and touch the map as close as I can to that point. I'm then given a trash can to pick to delete that point but picking the trash can then YES to confirm doesn't delete the point. ???????? Sometimes, though I have clearly picked a point on the map, I get a red banner that says to pick a valid location on the map. double ???????

rbentnail wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 7:54 pm I've never used the Shape Route option as I tried it and had idea what I was doing and screwed everything up. This time I did Trip Planner/pick route/Shape Route. I zoomed in as far as possible on the shaping point I want to delete and touch the map as close as I can to that point. I'm then given a trash can to pick to delete that point but picking the trash can then YES to confirm doesn't delete the point. ???????? Sometimes, though I have clearly picked a point on the map, I get a red banner that says to pick a valid location on the map. double ???????

I just played with it a little bit. Something I noticed is that when first chose to shape a route, its map view did not have trash cans on each shaping point. After I added a new shaping point and saved, a subsequent attempt to shape the route showed a trash can on every shaping point, and I was able to delete one. The route I was playing with had been imported with Frank's TripManager so was a "saved route" yet something seemed to get changed after the route was shaped that then made the other route points delete-able. So, you might have to add a point, save, then go back and do your delete.

Shaping points added with "Shape Route" get positioned at the closest intersection to your finger touch. Perhaps the "pick a valid location" notice you received means there are no intersections close enough???

The on-map-planner is very quirky. I've tried to use it a number of times. It is not a problem when you are just practicing and the route is of no importance, but when the route matters - its difficult to get it do do exactly what you want. I often get a point placed befire my finger touches the screen, or when I am trying to scroll the map around. Sometimes it recognises a double tap and I end up with two points in the same place. I don't find out about that until I delete it, and the second point reveals itself. I suspect that might be happening when you say it doesn't delete a point? Certainly your description sounded familiar.

The answer is no. You cannot easily alter the order of points other than deleting one and adding a new one.

The best thing I can suggest for on-screen route planning is an entirely different technique. Create a number of Waypoints first by browsing around the map or by searching, and saving each location and giving it a name. As many as you want. This is straight forward and is not yet related to any route. I often put a sequence number to make it easier to build the route. eg start at 00, end at 99.
Then building a route using 'Favourites' or 'Saved' locations ie Waypoints, is then quite straight forward. You can later set some to shaping points.

This method is only slightly more long winded, but you never risk losing track of where you are in the process.

I'll write a separate post to describe this in more detail.

Peobody wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 9:41 pm I just played with it a little bit. Something I noticed is that when first chose to shape a route, its map view did not have trash cans on each shaping point. After I added a new shaping point and saved, a subsequent attempt to shape the route showed a trash can on every shaping point, and I was able to delete one.

Now you have me thoroughly confused. I've imported several different routes at different times and tried the Shape Route. I have never seen one that "showed a trash can on every shaping point". What does this mean? are you looking at the route ON THE MAP or looking at points ON THE LIST?

EDIT: I see what you mean! I imported a route/wrench/Shape Route and inserted a point. Now when I pick Shape Route again, I see trash cans at every point. This is the first time I've seen this! And this time, when I deleted a shaping point, the blue disc disappeared. This is the first time this has happened with the 6 or 8 different routes I've tried! The blue disc until now has always stayed visible on the route.

I don't know why the route behaves differently today than all the rest have over the past few days......

Peobody wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 9:41 pm The route I was playing with had been imported with Frank's TripManager so was a "saved route" yet something seemed to get changed after the route was shaped that then made the other route points delete-able. So, you might have to add a point, save, then go back and do your delete.

Sounds like some of the hoops of using the XT just multiplied. Exactly the thing I am trying to avoid.

Peobody wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 9:41 pm Shaping points added with "Shape Route" get positioned at the closest intersection to your finger touch. Perhaps the "pick a valid location" notice you received means there are no intersections close enough???

Didn't know about the intersection thing, you may be right. At the time I was trying to place a point on I-77 in Podunk, WV where roads are few and far between. I'll check this out.

jfheath wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 10:33 pm The on-map-planner is very quirky. I've tried to use it a number of times. It is not a problem when you are just practicing and the route is of no importance, but when the route matters - its difficult to get it do do exactly what you want. I often get a point placed befire my finger touches the screen, or when I am trying to scroll the map around. Sometimes it recognises a double tap and I end up with two points in the same place. I don't find out about that until I delete it, and the second point reveals itself. I suspect that might be happening when you say it doesn't delete a point? Certainly your description sounded familiar.

I quickly noticed this as well. I'm finding a small rubber tipped stylus works best, plus it allows for more detailed placement.

jfheath wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 10:33 pm The answer is no. You cannot easily alter the order of points other than deleting one and adding a new one.

This is exactly what my questions are. I'm thinking I CAN do these if I knew HOW to do these.

jfheath wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 10:33 pm The best thing I can suggest for on-screen route planning is an entirely different technique. Create a number of Waypoints first by browsing around the map or by searching, and saving each location and giving it a name. As many as you want. This is straight forward and is not yet related to any route. I often put a sequence number to make it easier to build the route. eg start at 00, end at 99.
Then building a route using 'Favourites' or 'Saved' locations ie Waypoints, is then quite straight forward. You can later set some to shaping points.

This method is only slightly more long winded, but you never risk losing track of where you are in the process.

I'll write a separate post to describe this in more detail.

I've not tried this method but just reading it makes it sound tedious and confusing. I have zero problems CREATING a route, I'm pretty good at 2 different methods of this. I just want to reliably and repeatably delete a point in a route. Looks like I can't move a point so I just want to reliably and repeatably INSERT a point.

rbentnail wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 10:18 am Didn't know about the intersection thing, you may be right. At the time I was trying to place a point on I-77 in Podunk, WV where roads are few and far between. I'll check this out.

Last night I discovered that it would also place a point on a bridge (this one was over a river). It may be placing it at the closest spot that does not have a physical address. I would think that would apply to I-77 in Podunk, WV though, so I say again, IDK. I'm reporting behavior hoping one of the many brains here can make sense of it.

Peobody wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 1:12 pm

rbentnail wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 10:18 am Didn't know about the intersection thing, you may be right. At the time I was trying to place a point on I-77 in Podunk, WV where roads are few and far between. I'll check this out.

Last night I discovered that it would also place a point on a bridge (this one was over a river). It may be placing it at the closest spot that does not have a physical address. I would think that would apply to I-77 in Podunk, WV though, so I say again, IDK. I'm reporting behavior hoping one of the many brains here can make sense of it.

I don't know either, but earlier today I wanted a waypoint placed in the middle of a field (don't ask). And it popped up with a name- eg : 'xxx Trail'.
There was nothing there - just green. But BC does this as well - just 'cos you cannot see it, doesn't mean that you haven't just landed on it.

So I am wondering if Settings->Map and Vehicle->Map Detail needs to be set to 'More'

AND

whether the map needs to be zoomed in at its highest level.

AND

Whether Settings->Map and Vehicle->Up Ahead Places needs to have certain features selected (although you can select only three of them).

I have noted that this needs to be turned on to show certain map features (like waypoints), even though they are not specifically mentioned in the list of options. I have 3 dummy searches 'showing' because of this oddity - becasue if I turn it on it finds all sorts of things that I don't want on my map. So I DO turn on up ahead places - but have 3 searches which aren't going to find anything: I think that I am pretty safe with "yyy" and "zzz", but the other one might reveal some interesting results one day.

I have noticed that when the XT1 and the XT2 move route points, they tend to place them on the road immediately after and intersection. So if it is a right turn from a main road, the point will be placed a few yards after the junction, on the road to be taken.

I've always avoided doing this - because previous Zumos had the habit of visitng the point and immediately doubling back onto the main road. So having a shaping point there was a complete waste of time.
It made me wonder whether that is a tactic that can now be used to force a route on a particular road ? I don't know, I never tried. It would be ideal - because it makes the shaping point easy to spot, so easy to ignore if you chose not to visit. I wonder what the behaviour is like.

I can't be bothered right now. Mini tour coming up. But it is one thing that still intrigues me.