XT2 made me laugh

[Sean OZ]

I definitely admire your persistence jfheath, in trying to get the XT2 to behave as intended!

But IMHO, for the "average" user, the XT2 is still a bloody nightmare with way too many "hoops" to contend with.

In "some" praise of the XT2, it's definitely a much more rugged Nav unit, and able to handle the environmental extremes of MC ridding, far better than any smartphone!

Ridding temperatures here in Australia, can easily hit the high 30C (in the shade) and beyond during the summer months, which will cause smartphones to completely shutdown.The screen on the XT2 is also fantastic and easily viewed in even the most harshest sunlight.

The XT2 has so much potential and at the same time sadly ... so much unreliable complexity.

[jfheath]

No argument here. But to be fair, the XT also had similar issues with Explore. I didn't test it after the later updates. But its behaviour was 'odd' when explore was enabled, and not when it wasn't. I just left it disabled. The RUT. issue was a nightmare - but the 'fix' cured that. Both fixes seem to work well on the XT2

I have to go back to the Zumo 590 if I want trouble free, predictable routing. But that bulky cable. But that was the state of the art then. I had wired intercom and phone connection. I still have them - sealed away in zipped poly bags. it was only a few years ago in the days when pedestrians used to watch where they were going.

[Sean OZ]

There's still a lot to be said, for good detailed paper maps a compass and good mapping skills!

[jfheath]

Oh yes. Compass and map, and a good torch. Plenty of warm gear and a shelter.
All of those go with me on the bike - except oddly, I've just realised, I don't take my compass.
Phone is for emergency use only, but you can never rely on a signal in the hills where I like to ride.

I was going to manchester airport a few weeks ago. The satnav in the car does a job, but it doesn't alert early enough. If I am going to be turning off, I need to know that information a mile ahead if I am on a motorway.

So I took a piece of paper with the route written on it:

Junction numbers, road numbers and direction. eg west M65 ->Jn 4 South on M6
It was much better than the satnav. Made me take more notice of the signs on the way.

Like I used to do.

But do like gadgets - but really dislike mobile phones. They do not excel at anything.
Photos are quite poor 'processed' images.
Music isn't top quality, but it'll do
Satnav is poor
Phonecalls are fiddly compared to thick phones
Internet is difficult to read in small bite size windows requiring lots of scrolling left, right, up, down. Popups take over the whole page.
They are always somewhere else - in the wrong pocket, upstairs, in the car, in the garage. I often wondered what I would do when I retired. I spend most of it looking for and sorting out my phone.

[Sean OZ]

I often wondered what I would do when I retired. I spend most of it looking for and sorting out my phone.

[turbo19]

Does anyone have the incident number for this case?

It is so that Garmin does not tell me as always that I am the first in the world to have this problem happen.
Today I used the XT2 a lot and it is impossible to listen to music from Spotify or Podcasts downloaded to Ivoox, the playback continually speeds up.

Another step back.

[jfheath]

I haven't reported it yet. If I do so they will want to know when it happens and I do not have that information. Without the clear pointer to the XT2 rather than the phone or the headset - they will blame one or the other and dismiss it. It has to be a clear enough description to be passed on to the development team - otherwise it never gets past the triage desk. When it happens again, I'll recognise the same symptoms - and then hopefully I'll be able to make it do it.

That's what happend when I cracked what caused the RUT issue on the XT1. I tried loads of times to get it to go wrong, and I couldn't. And then it would do it in different places. Then one day on my usual test it happened again. And I couldn't work out why. I woke up during the night and said out loud - "Of course, you pressed skip". It was about an hour earlier near the start of the ride - badly placed via point. But that put me on the right track - so to speak.

They still didn't fix it though - worse, they carried over to the XT2 and applied what seems to be to be a half hearted hide-away of the symptoms.