Route points: Some non-alerting, some alerting

[Peobody]

This is all sounding very complicated. My simple rule is that shaping points go on junctions, default is not to announce, via points never go on junctions, default (IIRC) is to announce. "Turns" to me are simply products of a route once it has been formed, not part of its formation.

I buy into this except for the "Turns" part. When I am planning a route, it feels more natural to me to place a route point just beyond the junction where I make the turn. It's my way of indicating that I want turn here and to not give the device an opportunity to chose a different turn point should a calculation occur.

[rbentnail]

if I am not watching the screen, I may miss the turn.

Assuming it's a 4-road intersection, you only miss the turn. If it's a T intersection, you may end up in the field across the road.

I have also had points placed at "intersections" be placed underneath or above a non-connected bridge, when I'm on the the other part. That route wanted me to go in circles in downtown Washington, DC to get to that particular point on that particular road.

Regardless of how which type of point behaves how, I just find it easier to avoid dotting intersections altogether. I think this is mostly b/c I will randomly change shaping to alerting around places I know I'll be stopping, maybe even stopping the route.

[jfheath]

I never place route points on junctions.

The reason for this is that I want to minimise the number of route points and one on a junction doesn't say anything about which road I want to travel.

In Basecamp, if the point you place is at a 'known' location, then it becomes a Via Point. Or if it is near to a known location - BC point placements will 'jump' to a known point if there is one nearby.

Mostly I use a medium level of detail. That means that most 'known places' are not shown on the map. But they are still there.

I cannot predict whether any point that I place will be a via or a shaping point. So I don't bother. When my route is done I multiselect the second point to the next to last point in the route list and set them all to shaping. Dont select first and last, 'cos they cannot be set as shaping points.

Then I go back and change the ones that I want to be Vias. There's usually only about 3.

I also rename most if my points for important tours. The later Zumos may change the names, but there are ways to deal with that.

[Oop North John]

I tend to use shaping points in between A and B then look to see if there's a known POI on that road, especially a petrol station or viewpoint, and if there is, I make it into my own waypoint, after checking that it does exist in Google Earth. I then delete the shaping point and check it's no longer needed.

Pre the XT2 I could have kept the waypoint as non-alerting, with the XT2 they're all alerted due to the delights of Tread vs XT2 vs reality.

[Mikey]

Thank you ONJohn.

“especially a petrol station or viewpoint, and if there is, I make it into my own waypoint”

but you would need to make sure this Waypoint is moved to the centre of the magenta route, if not already, would you not?

Mikey

[Peobody]

but you would need to make sure this Waypoint is moved to the centre of the magenta route, if not already, would you not?

I would say "yes" but with a "but", and that "but" is if you have shaped the route and are now going back to add fuel and scenic stops. If there is a fuel stop near where you placed a shaping point then that shaping point become unnecessary. FWIW, I place Via points for fuel, food, and scenic stops on the road just prior to the physical location. This give me the freedom to ride on past without having to skip a point if my schedule or plan has changed.

[Oop North John]

“especially a petrol station or viewpoint, and if there is, I make it into my own waypoint”

but you would need to make sure this Waypoint is moved to the centre of the magenta route, if not already, would you not?

I don't normally.

Sometimes the points location can be seen to give some silly routing in Basecamp, especially if it's near to a junction, in which case I'll adjust it to give a logical route, with the help of Google Earth.

I also never put waypoints on junctions, and definitely not just before, I learnt the hard way why you don't do that!